about obama care, it has been a big issue. has it changed your perspective, slowed anything down or does it matter? >> it slowed down the sales due to uncertainty in health care providers and what they can pay for and what happens with medicaid and medicare spending. to really deal with long-term demographics. >> you mentioned immigration, visa issue and engineers. >> yes. >> we have people -- companies constantly talk about that. are there really not enough engineers in this country? you can't find them efficiently? what is the real problem? >> there are not coming through the programs. >> you cannot find them for your specific issue? >> we can't find enough. it is very, very difficult. >> it's a great career. but you go back. like when the president said you have a drink with mitch mcconnell. come engineering, any of those things. i wonder how do we get people to realize what a great future they would have if they boit the bullet. how do we do it? or do we let all the foreigners. >> i've been told, and i could be wrong on th